I initially did this refurbishment back in 2012, since then it became unattached in my blogger for some strange reason and went walkabout somewhere in the internet world. I found a forum with a lot of help, it was recovered but with all of its photographs missing.
I knew it was going to be challenging to rebuild it and replace all the photograph in all the right places after two years gap I kept putting it off, BUT, I decided to bit the bullet and have a go.
I have been at it now for three nights, phew finally got the bugs out. It is as near as I can remember the original post, I'll leave it now at this stage. If you have any problems seeing the photographs, please E-Mail me but in the meantime enjoy.
I won this one bay a few days ago, it was to be a project to do over the winter months, but I decided I could really do with it in operation now, today I decided to start stripping it to remove that ugly iron bracket which bolted it to a wall.
What is seen in the first photo is how it was in use the foot on the upside down the column also in upside down and the bracket welded to the bottom of the column which is now the top fixing, once I started stripping I soon found it was crammed full of MDF dust including the motor it's lucky it never caught fire so that will be fully stripped also. Belt so slack it nearly touched in the middle, wiring all faded and perished so colour cannot be distinguished.
I knew it was going to be challenging to rebuild it and replace all the photograph in all the right places after two years gap I kept putting it off, BUT, I decided to bit the bullet and have a go.
I have been at it now for three nights, phew finally got the bugs out. It is as near as I can remember the original post, I'll leave it now at this stage. If you have any problems seeing the photographs, please E-Mail me but in the meantime enjoy.
I won this one bay a few days ago, it was to be a project to do over the winter months, but I decided I could really do with it in operation now, today I decided to start stripping it to remove that ugly iron bracket which bolted it to a wall.
What is seen in the first photo is how it was in use the foot on the upside down the column also in upside down and the bracket welded to the bottom of the column which is now the top fixing, once I started stripping I soon found it was crammed full of MDF dust including the motor it's lucky it never caught fire so that will be fully stripped also. Belt so slack it nearly touched in the middle, wiring all faded and perished so colour cannot be distinguished.
OK so now to remove that ugly bracket, thought about for a while and decided seeing it was only welded on one side,
(thank goodness,) first I ground off as much of the weld as I could then attacked it with a hacksaw and hammer. The photos will explain.
When I removed the inner quill section I found two problems, one was a vertical movement which can be adjusted the locking collar was slack and needs to be pushed down the shaft tightening the vertical movement before locking the grub screws, the second when the splined the cylinder was removed from the pulley wheel but with the Quill still, in its shaft there was a sideways movement on the top bearing, but the bottom bearing fine replaced the spline back in it place pulley spline and no change, hmm it could left and reassembled but as it's stripped down this far its time to replace all the bearings and drive, I'll get an order off some time next week when the nations back to work.
In the meantime tomorrow I'll grind the rest of the remaining weld off and clean the rust and tarnish off the central column then reassemble that, clean up the main body frame and respray that with a grey primer.
To clean all that grim away I
I decided it would be best done on my lathe. Before I could mount the
column to the lath I had to turn a very quick wooden bung from an offcut of
100mm x100mm softwood to fit the ID of the column, I mounted the
column to my M950 lath and used 1" stripped roll sandpaper, got a brilliant result, I'm well chuffed.
I had meant to wax the column while It was mounted to help stop any future rust and completely forgot, wooden head what am I.
I had meant to wax the column while It was mounted to help stop any future rust and completely forgot, wooden head what am I.
For reassembly wiring, please re-read my earlier post on the subject.
Then follow the instructions on the underside of the cover and fit the straps in the delta position.
Cut the white cable backs a bit, and you should find suitable clean cable and wire directly to the three motor terminals. It does not matter which is which at this stage.
Can I have a photo of the other side of that rotary switch please Martin?
I may need you to prove that with a resistance meter or indeed a continuity tester. Do you have one?
Then follow the instructions on the underside of the cover and fit the straps in the delta position.
Cut the white cable backs a bit, and you should find suitable clean cable and wire directly to the three motor terminals. It does not matter which is which at this stage.
Can I have a photo of the other side of that rotary switch please Martin?
I may need you to prove that with a resistance meter or indeed a continuity tester. Do you have one?
I have not remounted the motor until after I have tested it with the inverter just in case, it was a dud, Then I will apply the finish coat of paint and then remount it, set it to its correct working level and adjusts the tension on the belts, till then guys that's al
Day off tomorrow as it's my birthday and I'm going to pop into Axminster tools to pick up a keyless chuck for the drill and then visit some friends in Devon.
Hi Bob carrier pigeon arrived this morning, what a dainty little thing this inverter is, I can't wait to wire it all up temporarily and try it out, but I have
Developed over the weekend a real snorter of a cold, confined me to barracks for a while, I'll update asap.
Off t to the workshop to do a temporary wire up of the inverter to test the motor and switch, as I had no idea if they worked. Bob instructions were spot on it all fired up the first time.
I do have a squeak when the motor reaches around the 60.6 hertz for some the reason, it then disappears when the speed is adjusted higher, top the bearing I think, it may go when the motor is reattached to the drill and belts are fitted, and under tension, maybe, I don't know how long since this motor was used, so, for now, I have stood the electric motor on its bottom end and oiled the shaft with some 3in1 oil.
I do have a squeak when the motor reaches around the 60.6 hertz for some the reason, it then disappears when the speed is adjusted higher, top the bearing I think, it may go when the motor is reattached to the drill and belts are fitted, and under tension, maybe, I don't know how long since this motor was used, so, for now, I have stood the electric motor on its bottom end and oiled the shaft with some 3in1 oil.
Left it overnight, for now, to see if that might help, if not then it an entire strip-down of the motor and source some new bearings before reattaching the motor to the main body. I hope not.
Glad it is all running OK. I expect the squeak will succumb to some oil and/or go away when the belt is on.
They are an excellent neat little 1 HP inverter. I'm thinking of stocking them for just this sort of application. They can be programmed for smaller motors such as your 0.5HP one.
I still like Siemens models they are starting to get expensive, even second-hand as people are beginning to latch on to them.
If anyone has a similar requirement, just drop me a PM, and we can take it from there.
They are an excellent neat little 1 HP inverter. I'm thinking of stocking them for just this sort of application. They can be programmed for smaller motors such as your 0.5HP one.
I still like Siemens models they are starting to get expensive, even second-hand as people are beginning to latch on to them.
If anyone has a similar requirement, just drop me a PM, and we can take it from there.
As you know a few days ago I wired it all
together on the bench only to find it had a squeal coming
from the motor, I had hoped I would not have to strip the motor
entirely apart, but, I had to. The bottom bearing was red hot,
so I decided to bit the bullet this morning after I PMd Bob last night,
he explains what sort of bearing would be in there and roughly how they
came out
So after it was in three sections, I knock out the bottom outer bearing cover off from the inside and to my surprise no bearings, well, at least, not the type I was expecting as Bob had shown me above. The main shaft fitted into a collet which has a large hole cut in the side of it, the collet, in turn, was very tightly fitted into housing the strangest I have ever seen again with a hole cut in the side of it that surrounded by foam filling with a particular piece of foam acting like a wick hanging down into the outer bearing cover.
Now on the side of the main casing, is a ball bearing oil nipple feed, to feed the oil in, The oil drains down through the foam and into the outer bearing housing cover submerging the wick into the oil, then the oils are soaking up against it short length and is sucked in through the foam and the hole in the side of the collet and lubricates the shaft, and yea you guessed it as dry as an empty bottle. I reassemble it all cleared the paint off the nipples and pressure fed in as much oil as I could, not sure my old the oil can is up to much so I, ll buy a new can tomorrow and pressure feed it
In the meantime remounted the motor and temporarily wired it all again and switched on yes, though I might have to buy a new one for a while there, YES BRILLIANT.
I ran the motor on and off over the next hour trying various speed testing then left off for a couple of hrs and went out for lunch feeling really chuffed, later this afternoon I did another test run, this time left it running for approximately 10 mins on about 60 hertz which under normal operating conditions is far more than you would generally use it for in one continuous run, it was just beginning to get warm when I switch it off and packed up for the day, feeling really good.
Bob Wrote.
Just knock out the old ones and buy replacements based on the dimensions. Could well be imperial sizes but these are still readily available. I'd get rubber shielded ones for choice or metal shield as a second choice.
I expect they will be something like this R 12 2RS 3/4x1 5/8x7/16 which is £2.50 from ebay item 350356237073.
The outer bearing covers are normally thin sheet steel just pressed in. Normally the bearings come out from the inside and stay captive on the shaft.
Take care with pulling off the cone pulley, it is easy to break off a bit of the rim.
The problem you might well have if you go down the replacement motor route is that the shaft sizes on modern motors differ and so the pulley won't fit the new motor so the shaft will have to be turned/modified to fit.
So after it was in three sections, I knock out the bottom outer bearing cover off from the inside and to my surprise no bearings, well, at least, not the type I was expecting as Bob had shown me above. The main shaft fitted into a collet which has a large hole cut in the side of it, the collet, in turn, was very tightly fitted into housing the strangest I have ever seen again with a hole cut in the side of it that surrounded by foam filling with a particular piece of foam acting like a wick hanging down into the outer bearing cover.
Now on the side of the main casing, is a ball bearing oil nipple feed, to feed the oil in, The oil drains down through the foam and into the outer bearing housing cover submerging the wick into the oil, then the oils are soaking up against it short length and is sucked in through the foam and the hole in the side of the collet and lubricates the shaft, and yea you guessed it as dry as an empty bottle. I reassemble it all cleared the paint off the nipples and pressure fed in as much oil as I could, not sure my old the oil can is up to much so I, ll buy a new can tomorrow and pressure feed it
In the meantime remounted the motor and temporarily wired it all again and switched on yes, though I might have to buy a new one for a while there, YES BRILLIANT.
I ran the motor on and off over the next hour trying various speed testing then left off for a couple of hrs and went out for lunch feeling really chuffed, later this afternoon I did another test run, this time left it running for approximately 10 mins on about 60 hertz which under normal operating conditions is far more than you would generally use it for in one continuous run, it was just beginning to get warm when I switch it off and packed up for the day, feeling really good.
Oops - I got that wrong, didn't I!
It is a long time since I've come across one of those types of motor. Hopefully, with your oil treatment, it will be fine. It is quite essential to run the belt at the minimum tension such that it just does not slip to avoid bearing wear.
Happy drilling.
It is a long time since I've come across one of those types of motor. Hopefully, with your oil treatment, it will be fine. It is quite essential to run the belt at the minimum tension such that it just does not slip to avoid bearing wear.
Happy drilling.
Bob, it's no problem, it's the first time I've
ever seen one,s like this when I tapped out the bearing cover and
looked in I thought what the bloody hell is that, bearings I thought
where the hell are they, that Bob must have been at the whisky bottle, but when you really look at the design, as long as it kept fed
regularly with oil, the shaft is kept moist in oil all the time,
there's undoubtedly no play in it, the reason for squealing and why it was
so hot, totally dry, neglect.
An early start today in the workshop at 7:30 ish, All this wiring is now completed, as seen.
Hears the final photo ( at last ) all finished with just a few minor I's and T's to dot and cross, simple things like paint the motor and guard, and a small touch up here and there. It's now ready for use.
Would I do it all again? Well, maybe definitely yes, ( I'm already looking). Did I learn from doing it myself yes, it was the right learning curve especially the rebuild side of it, next time, I will make sure make it is a complete drill with nothing missing at all, condition-wise cosmetically not essential but, missing parts are expensive, things like the rise and fall table which I assumed was under the wooden work area show in the photos when it was for sale, the cost of couriers, which has taken any profit away from this drill, so next to the time I will only buy if I Can pick up myself close to home, bearings that sort of thing I glass as replaceable parts that I would do anyway regardless of condition.
What sort of drill would I buy depends on price condition, depth of quill travel, whereabouts, any extras etc., would I buy another 3 phase and us a converter, without any hesitation at all, yes.
This now leaves me to thank two people first and foremost our very own Bob (9fingers) for all of his help, last but not least again our very own Chris (old) who surprised me he donated as can been seen in the bottom of the previous photo a drill guard which arrived yesterday, thanks, guys.
I hope you all have enjoyed following this thread as I enjoyed doing the refurbishment for me it was a learning curve hope some of you decide to have a go. Enjoy.
Hears the final photo ( at last ) all finished with just a few minor I's and T's to dot and cross, simple things like paint the motor and guard, and a small touch up here and there. It's now ready for use.
Would I do it all again? Well, maybe definitely yes, ( I'm already looking). Did I learn from doing it myself yes, it was the right learning curve especially the rebuild side of it, next time, I will make sure make it is a complete drill with nothing missing at all, condition-wise cosmetically not essential but, missing parts are expensive, things like the rise and fall table which I assumed was under the wooden work area show in the photos when it was for sale, the cost of couriers, which has taken any profit away from this drill, so next to the time I will only buy if I Can pick up myself close to home, bearings that sort of thing I glass as replaceable parts that I would do anyway regardless of condition.
What sort of drill would I buy depends on price condition, depth of quill travel, whereabouts, any extras etc., would I buy another 3 phase and us a converter, without any hesitation at all, yes.
This now leaves me to thank two people first and foremost our very own Bob (9fingers) for all of his help, last but not least again our very own Chris (old) who surprised me he donated as can been seen in the bottom of the previous photo a drill guard which arrived yesterday, thanks, guys.
I hope you all have enjoyed following this thread as I enjoyed doing the refurbishment for me it was a learning curve hope some of you decide to have a go. Enjoy.
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An amazing transformation, I was thinking of buying one of these and you've inspired me. One thing, what is the chuck travel on this model? I can't find spec.info anywhere on the web, I think it may have been removed when Startfite went to Record?
Thanks,
Heather
hi heather , thank you for your kind comments, Its comment like your that makes it all worth while for me, the travel on this drill is approximate 80mm I hope that's of some help to you.
I don't know if your aware but i have just started my own forum which is little short of members right now I'm sure it will pick up in time, however you might find of some interest if so please feel free to join any time you like and leave some posts of your own, you 'll find this post there as well, any other question please feel free to ask hc.
hi heather sorry the forum is
www.worldwidewoodworkers-com.webs.com hope you enjoy hc. Martin
Hi Martin
Looks like you've done a great job on the refurbishment; I've been looking for one of these on ebay for about six months now but still haven't won one at the right price. When I do eventually win one I too will change the chuck to a twist grip type and was wondering what the Jacobs taper no. the chuck is? as I believe the spindle is a one piece design (no internal morse taper).
Many Thanks
Alan
hi Alan thanks for the comments all are welcome, I don't know the number of the Jacobs chuck size.
The shaft does have a taper to it and yes it is a one piece shaft, all i did was to take the old chick off and took it with me to Axminster tools store luckily I'm not to faraway from one to get an exact match for the shaft which is a bog standard 13mm Jacobs chuck, I'm so clad i change the chuck first one i have used a key less chuck is the way to go excellent piece of kit.
Good luck with your search for your drill it will come. when you get one if you nead help please ask.
Just in case your interested I have just launched a brand new woodworking forum its called worldwidewoodworking-com.webs.com feel free to view if you feel it may be of help to you in the future please feel free to register and become a full member it's (free of charge) it will be good to see some new member, a good place to show a tread on a full refurbishment of your new drill haha.
Great job, do you know if there is a chuck guard available for this drill?
Thanks,
John
Hi john, I cant say for sure as mine was donated by Chris (old) from the wood haven (forum), I'm not sure if the modern plastic ones will fit either. The one Chris gave me is in the forth from last picture in this thread, Its very yellow place in front of the drill base. hc.
hi Martin, this seems like a very interesting post, but the pictures won't load. Any ideas why?
Hi Anonymous, I,m so sorry about the delay in repairing this post its been a nightmare trying to wheedle out the bug from this post knew its would be difficult so kept putting it off, been at it now for three night but I seem to have got rid of whatever deleted all my photos . hope you and others can now enjoy.
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